i want to be anonymous in centralized system, buy a virtual number the best way, but there only one way to buy via worse wallet tonkeeper which track and collect all users data

Feb 8, 2023, 11:31 AM

Is there a proof that Tonkeeper tracks everybody? Other than existence of (public!) tonapi.io.

Feb 8, 2023, 11:36 AM

they are using centralized server so we don't know what hapends there, so this not possible to trust.

wtf do you what hapends after DNS resolve IP? you cannot see and proof the right build of the server

Feb 8, 2023, 11:42 AM

To send a transaction, your wallet needs to send it to some node first

Feb 8, 2023, 11:42 AM

i think ton is blockchain which use p2p protocol and has a lot of others nodes

you can see the ip address of the any node and send your transactions

Feb 8, 2023, 11:44 AM

Wallet needs to send it to some specific one (maybe randomly chosen)

Yes

But what's the difference from using the tonkeeper's one?

Any node can "track" you the same way

Feb 8, 2023, 11:44 AM

yes, but tonkeeper use a server for connect and send message through this server, so they know any message and what users doing

they use themselves server for connect for dapps

under cloudflare 😂😂😂😂

Feb 8, 2023, 11:46 AM

Some node can "track" you and associate with your wallet public key. Then the node will be able to just see what transactions are you performing with it

Feb 8, 2023, 11:46 AM

what if the server under ddos? what if cloudflare down? what is server is down?

Feb 8, 2023, 11:46 AM

Then tonkeeper will be useless for some time

What if infura goes down? What will happen with most Ethereum wallets?

Feb 8, 2023, 11:47 AM

i just change to other node

Feb 8, 2023, 11:47 AM

Most users don't even know what is a node

Feb 8, 2023, 11:47 AM

that's right, everything will just stop working for them

Feb 8, 2023, 11:48 AM

Using centralized and fixed servers provides better UX for regular users.
If you need some extra "privacy" you can even host your own node and use it through some TOR networks + anything you want

Feb 8, 2023, 11:48 AM

but smart pl can possible to change node and continue work

not right, possible to make the system like TOX, or Matrix this is decentralized system works very well

I don't see any reason to make centralized systems in the blockchain! This is disrespectful to the creator of the technology

Feb 8, 2023, 11:50 AM

Every user needs to have a public IP to use such decentralized systems

Feb 8, 2023, 11:52 AM

in the ton a lot of public nodes they can use it, without any centrolized server which controlled by some humans

Feb 8, 2023, 11:53 AM

These nodes are controlled by "some humans"

Feb 8, 2023, 11:54 AM

if you dont like the node you can launch yourself node and use it

Feb 8, 2023, 11:54 AM

I just said that above few minutes ago

Feb 8, 2023, 11:54 AM

no you said that, private server from tonkeeper is normal

Feb 8, 2023, 11:55 AM

i didn't say anything about TON itself, only tonkeeper

Feb 8, 2023, 11:56 AM

Tonkeeper provides good UX for users who don't know what is a blockchain

Feb 8, 2023, 11:56 AM

tonkeeper is centrolized and is not trusted wallet, because they using centrolzied server under centrolized DNS services

Feb 8, 2023, 11:57 AM

Telegram is centralized and is not trusted messenger. But you use it anyway

Google is decentralized but you still use it every day. Even if you use something like duckduckgo there's still no guarantee that they don't track you

Being obsessed with privacy in our world is strange

Feb 8, 2023, 11:59 AM

Google is centrolized

Feb 8, 2023, 11:59 AM

If someone will really need to find you, he'll be able to do that

Feb 8, 2023, 11:59 AM

no, if you do right

in this approach, then anonymity is not needed at all 😂😂😂

apple also has good UI/UX but it leaks data about you to everyone

Feb 8, 2023, 12:01 PM

You didn't do it right then. Your privacy is already broken for this tg account

Feb 8, 2023, 12:02 PM

I'm not hiding from this account, you can always find me and my activity

Feb 8, 2023, 12:03 PM

And most users aren't hiding from their wallets

I don't understand what's your problem with tonkeeper. Just don't use it if you don't like it

Run your own node, use some TOR networks, proxies etc. Generate a keypair manually and interact with wallet through your node

Feb 8, 2023, 12:05 PM

but on fragment is not possible to connect other wallet!

Feb 8, 2023, 12:06 PM

Fragment & Telegram are centralized

Feb 8, 2023, 12:06 PM

Should I tell him that any decentralized network is built inside the Internet, which is centralized in its structure?)

Feb 8, 2023, 12:07 PM

i know, this just a website, but in the way onle TON itself decentrolized

wallet should be also decentrolized

internet is decentrolized WTF

Feb 8, 2023, 12:08 PM

build your own decentralized wallet. You can even apply for a grant then and maybe it'll be successful

Feb 8, 2023, 12:08 PM

Especially the allocation of a range of IP addresses, without which you will not get access to the Internet

Feb 8, 2023, 12:08 PM

for what? if we already has open mask?

Feb 8, 2023, 12:08 PM

Then just use it

Feb 8, 2023, 12:09 PM

I am not a teacher and I will not explain why you are wrong

fragment is not support it

Feb 8, 2023, 12:10 PM

Especially certificates system and DNS registration.
Though, I think this becomes offtop. ⛔️

Feb 8, 2023, 12:10 PM

Fragment is centralized and it will track you. Telegram too. Using a "private" and "secure" wallet won't help you

Feb 8, 2023, 12:10 PM

About non-Tonkeeper connection: nothing stops you from feeding the page with valid wallet connection info.

Feb 8, 2023, 12:11 PM

no one forces you to use certificates and registrations DNS, this is just a it's just a layer on top of the internet: it's called a protocol

he can track at least 10 times if I give him fake data

Feb 8, 2023, 12:13 PM